This specimen features a “KETLAND & Co.” and “TOWER” marked lock. ......... thank you, I think that is the end of my search.....Thanks for all the input .....paul. The musket's proof marks are quite correct for the post 1856 period. All the photos in "The English Connection" it shows as straight across ??
But its a great reference book.
L81A1 7.62mm Cadet Target Rifle, version of the Parker Hale M82 sniper rifle. @OP - Mo Chara, for future reference, I would be very wary of any purported English-made gun of that era that might be found on mainland Europe, for obvious reasons. We then stain it to the same deep red-ish browns of original Enfields before applying several hand-rubbed coats of Linseed Oil-the same finish applied to original muskets.
Belgian gunmakers in the lower echelons of quality were renowned for making frawks of British guns [and, of course, US-made guns] of all genre, and for well over a century and half. He has one other which has the word GUN on the side plate of the lock, but that looks so bad it looks like a kid made it with a hammer and wire!
Well did not buy the gun!
US MODEL 1816 TYPE II CONTRACT MUSKET, by “L.
The. I assume its in .577/450 ? It has "Tower" by the trigger and a crown with "GR" below it. Waterloo200 has uploaded 121 photos to Flickr.
Not an expert , but Crown doesn't look correct. The single-shot muzzleloader in very good original condition and even retains both sling swivels and the original slotted tip ramrod. Going from what can be seen, I would say it is certainly a non-government trade musket.
I would have to take it apart and look for the makers marks to see if they are the same on the stock,lock, triggerguard and so on.......paul. The underside barrel marking is correct as a British Barrel Maker from Rose Brothers, the lock markings are consistent with a typical Tower of 1863. I looked thru "The Standard Directory of Proof Marks" and found nothing that looked like the cross for any country. L82 to L84 ? It may be a late period trade musket - possibly post 1850 to 1900 - made with a re-marked, surplus military lock. 1827: Of standard configuration, with a 42" round, band-fastened barrel with top mounted bayonet lug and very clear "US” & “US” proof-marks at the breech-top and the tang with an "1827" date. Do you see the bulge? Hoadie Where it all falls down is if its a gun made from unrelated bits.
EVANS”, dtd. The guy had no information about it. Mine is in a somewhat better condition.
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How it got there I dont know..... just need to find out about the mark. I here you, but still would like to know about the tower proof mark.
BRITISH Antique FLINTLOCK Musket w KETLAND LOCK WS&C Marked Barrel with English Proof Marks Here we present an antique Flintlock Musket, made in England circa 1810. We are so confident in the authenticity of our stock recontouring, that we even photographed one of our defarbed enfields side-by-side next to an original gun so that all can see, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that our stock re-shaping is the highest quality. TP that is the best photo I have of it, I was going to buy it but backed off a little. I say that due to the size and shape of the bow of the trigger guard.
Confederate Used British P 1839 Musket. I have never seen any example of a military Brown bess musket with "Tower Proof" engraved on the lock.
It has a brass buttstock and also a brass patch box. All Italian Reproduction Enfield stocks, whether they be Armisport, Euroarms, or Pedersoli are generally fat and lumpy and they're lock panels are never shaped correctly.
Here's a corrected lock panel. "Brown Bess" is a nickname of uncertain origin for the British Army's muzzle-loading smoothbore flintlock Land Pattern Musket and its derivatives.This musket was used in the era of the expansion of the British Empire and acquired symbolic importance at least as significant as its physical importance.
It was in use for over a hundred years with many incremental changes in its design. This is primarily a North American forum, and most all of the responses you may get come from there. I'll did in books later. Most Reproduction Enfields, especially armisport enfields like the one pictured above, come from the factory with lock panels that aren't the right size or shape. Defarbed Armisport Enfield: Serial number relocated to the bottom of the barrel, Italian proofmarks removed, barrel polished and correct 1862 Birmingham proof marks added.
No other markings on the stock. Musket showing detail of flintlock and proof marks (2) Explore Waterloo200's photos on Flickr. The only other marking was at the front of the stock. I'll continue to ask various sources to see if we might shed light on your mysterious weapon. These can be either blued or armory bright-your choice. I agree that it does not look like the marking's of the period.
A forum community dedicated to all firearm owners and enthusiasts. 6. L87 & L88 ? But guess what, not quite the same as the one in question. Arms previously proved and bearing apparently valid proof marks are deemed unproved if the barrels have been enlarged in the bore beyond certain defined limits or if the barrel or action has been materially weakend in other respects. Defarbed Armisport Enfield: Serial number relocated to the bottom of the barrel, Italian proofmarks removed, barrel polished and correct 1862 Birmingham proof marks added.
eCommerce Software by 3dcart. Thanks for the reply, Im not aware of anymore markings but i will check. I also think the size of the letters are smaller than the basic tower mark, so if it was over stamped I think you might see the other tower mark below. The underside barrel marking is correct as a British Barrel Maker from Rose Brothers, the lock markings are consistent with a typical Tower of 1863.
L86A1 5.56mm Light Support Weapon, LMG version of L85, with bipod.
... marked tower 1863, except this one is marked 120 and mine 371. This side-by-side comparison is something that you won't find on any of our competitor's sites, and we encourage anyone who is considering having their stock re-shaped to check out the comparison photos. Uploaded a few more markings I found. Someone out there will have a gun with the same type of mark, Maybe they might know something, or could point me in a different direction to look.
This fine British manufacturered longarm is a standard .577 caliber Enfield Pattern 1853 Type 1 rifle-musket as carried by hundreds of thousands of Union and Confederate forces in the field.
Barrel length itself is about 48".
You are right, he has not been forth coming with photos of any other marks......Another 2 hours looking at lock marking on the net!......paul. L89A1 9mm Instructional Automatic Pistol. Spent hours today on the net and can not find a mark like it......paul. Welcome, enjoy. You are using an out of date browser.